Message Board For The 463rd Bombardment Group (H)
Sign up  |   |   |  Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 2 of 4      Prev   1   2   3   4   Next
bruce59

Registered:
Posts: 19
Reply with quote  #16 

Thanks, Jon, for clearing things up and for your personal email.  Since we last spoke I received the MACR and it was VERY enlightening.  I have a few questions still, and I'm wondering if you can answer them.  Pilot John Nosal of Jaunty Joan listed all of the missions that my great uncle John C. Coogan was on with him (23 or 24).  However, some of  them were listed with an asterisk as a "double mission," including the mission in which the plane went down and he was lost, 30 mi. SW of Ploesti, Rumania.

 

How is that possible?  Was it their second mission to Ploesti that day?  How was that possible all the way from Italy?  Or was it that they had multiple targets they hit near Ploesti?

 

Also, the MACR made no mention of the "Jaunty Joan" name.  I'm wondering what was the origin of it -- Pilot's wife?  Joan Crawford?  Any idea how I can find out?  Also, I would like to know more about the crew's previous plane, A Touch of Venus and the orgin of its name.  I did some research and found that the previous fall a Broadway play opened called One Touch of Venus.  Mabe that's it.

 

Also, in May of 44, how many missions did crews need to fly before they were through?  Or put another way, how many more would a crew with 23 need to fly?

 

Anyway, I'm writing Jack Coogan's story for my family -- I'm sure I'll have more questions as I go forward -- You have been very helpful and I thank you very much.

 

--Bruce


__________________
bruce spitzer
jj463rd

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 205
Reply with quote  #17 

Hi Bruce.My father explained to me that he had 50 missions which included 35 sorties.From what I remember a sortie counted as a particularly dangerous mission to certain countries such as Germany(proper),Austria part of the greater German Reich and Romania was included too.A sortie counted as 2 missions so a sortie over Romania would count as two missions.Perhaps that's what the astericks were for in the logs.

A crew in the 463rd would have to have either 50 missions or 35 sorties in order to complete their tour.

 


__________________
Son of 1st Lt. James L. Jarmon Pilot 15th A.F. 463rd B.G. 772nd B.S.
bomber_mama

Registered:
Posts: 11
Reply with quote  #18 

Hi all --

 

Not sure what squadron she was in, but according to author Steve Birdsall's B-17 Bookshelf, Library 2 (http://users.tpg.com.au/stevepb/page3.html), under the book title 27 And A Half Missions In The 15th AF  by Douglas Ackley, there was a B-17 with the 463rd named Hairless Joe, Tail Number 42-31817. She was shot down on 5 June 1944 when Ackley was part of the crew.

 

I just bought this book on ebay. Looking forward to reading it.

 

Merrylee

rrood41828

Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #19 

Hello folks,

 

Entries from my dad's diary -- he was chief armorer of C flight, 772nd.

 

On April 5th, 1944, I was made Flight Chief of “C” flight, with a sergeants rating. Ships #114, #829 “Jaunty Joan”, #796, and #844 the famous “Swoose II”, Col. Kurtz’s flagship. #796 and #829 went down over enemy territory with all guns blazing. I lost many a pal with these two ships. Later, two new silver ships replaced them, and I’m sure that both will give a good account of themselves

 

I may add here that old #847 “Fearless Fosdick” “failed to return” on the second of June. #847 was a ship I recently took over from “J.D.”

 

June 5th  Another bad day, when #817 old “Hairless Joe” failed to return.

Rome is ours !!

 

June 6th  A sad day for me. “The Atoner” #114 went down in enemy territory. This was my first real love and I’ll miss her.

 

Ron Rood

bruce59

Registered:
Posts: 19
Reply with quote  #20 

Hi Ron,

 

What was your father's name?  Do you know the name of ship #796?  Does your Dad's diary mention anything else about "Jaunty Joan" or her crew?  How about "Touch of Venus?"  Did he work on her?  Can I quote your Dad's diary references to "Jaunty Joan" in the piece I'm writing?

 

--Bruce Spitzer

spitzer1@comcast.net


__________________
bruce spitzer
bruce59

Registered:
Posts: 19
Reply with quote  #21 

Thanks, Jon for the info about missions/sorties.  That helps alot.

 

--Bruce


__________________
bruce spitzer
rrood41828

Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #22 

Hello Bruce,

 

My dad was Sgt. Charles Rood, and he was with the 463rd from its days at McDill field in Tampa, Florida, until the close of the war. He received the diary as a gift from home, and the first dated entry was June 5th, 1944. He did rough in his time in the service up until that point, but in no great detail.

 

There is no name (if it had one) for 796, nor any mention of Touch of Venus, although he often refers to the numbers, as in 377, rather than Pretty Baby's Boys. Of course, he refers most often to the ships that were under his charge.

 

Feel free to quote from any post that I make, including entries from Dad's diary.

 

Ron Rood

bruce59

Registered:
Posts: 19
Reply with quote  #23 

Thanks Ron.

 

--Bruce


__________________
bruce spitzer
jj463rd

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 205
Reply with quote  #24 

Bruce I made a slight mistake I think.

I believe that a bombing raid over Czechoslovakia also counted as a sortie since it was absorbed into the Greater German Reich during its 1938 annexation.


__________________
Son of 1st Lt. James L. Jarmon Pilot 15th A.F. 463rd B.G. 772nd B.S.
ricknan05

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 2
Reply with quote  #25 
Weldon Harris was my uncle. Never knew him, only of him. My mother and sister tell us about him, but they only know so much. Done some research, received copies of the MAC report regarding his last flight, May 18, 1944 and all his letters. I'm on a quest to discover as much as I can about him and his two other brothers who were in the war. I'm looking for anyone or information about him.
DRCLINE

Registered:
Posts: 8
Reply with quote  #26 

Rick, I have a picture or two of Weldon Harris.

 

Devin

ricknan05

Avatar / Picture

Registered:
Posts: 2
Reply with quote  #27 
Devin, I would love to see them. How you come about getting them? Do you have information about him?
DRCLINE

Registered:
Posts: 8
Reply with quote  #28 

My father Robert R Cline flew with him for eight missions on the Touch of Venus, they were in the first group to fly out of Foggia and most likely trained together on the Touch of Venus in the US before shipping out.

 

My Dad was wounded on the eighth mission, the plane was shot up pretty bad and the crew was assigned to other plane. Read the thread about Robert Cline in the category 772nd.

 

Devin 

Steve_Fossey

Registered:
Posts: 29
Reply with quote  #29 

Hi,

 

Can anyone tell me where I can find the full serial number and possibly nickname for #539? Joel was good enough to give me that information over on one of the ArmyAirForces.com boards, but this seems a more appropriate forum to follow up.

 

It's my understanding that #539 was scrapped after the 10 May 1944 mission to Weiner Neustadt. That my not be entirely correct because my father did not talk too much about his war experience and I could have misinterpreted what I heard.

 

Thanks. (and Go Pats!)


__________________
Steve Fossey
Swindy

Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 254
Reply with quote  #30 

Steve,

I will reply to you here with what info I have on #539.

 

There is only one #539 I can find listed among the 463rd A/C. 


It's full serial number is 42-97539.  My sources do not indicate a nickname for it.   Both sources indicate that it was scrapped overseas on 22 Oct 1945. 

 

That is the extent of what I can find about the plane.


__________________
Joel
463rd BG Historian
Proud son of 1/Lt Leroy J. Swindlehurst (1921-1950)
Navigator, 772nd Squadron
Joel@463rd.org
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:


Create your own forum with Website Toolbox!