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I am trying to find some info on my uncle shot down on Apr. 1, 1945 over Maribor, Yugoslavia. His name was Jack R. Aven and he was a S. Sgt. and a tail gunner on a B-17. I never new him as I was not born yet. He was stationed in Foggia, Italy. Not sure of the rest of my info but could have been with the 463 BG, 15th Air Force, squad #772-775. He was buried 4 years later in a common grave with 4 of his crew mates in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetary in St. Louis, Mo. The crew members on the grave stone are:

Merle E. Adams 1st Lt.

John L. Baumgartner 2nd Lt.

William R. Norwood T. Sgt.

Thedford O. Wilson 1st Lt.

Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Dave.

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I am trying to find some info on my uncle shot down on Apr. 1, 1945 over Maribor, Yugoslavia. His name was Jack R. Aven and he was a S. Sgt. and a tail gunner on a B-17. I never new him as I was not born yet. He was stationed in Foggia, Italy. Not sure of the rest of my info but could have been with the 463 BG, 15th Air Force, squad #772-775. He was buried 4 years later in a common grave with 4 of his crew mates in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetary in St. Louis, Mo. The crew members on the grave stone are:

Merle E. Adams 1st Lt.

John L. Baumgartner 2nd Lt.

William R. Norwood T. Sgt.

Thedford O. Wilson 1st Lt.

Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Dave.

Hi Dave your uncle was in the 772nd squadron of the 463rd B.G.the same squadron as my father at the Celone airbase near Foggia Italy.However your uncle served at a later date than my father.I am looking at the book 772nd Bomb Squadron The men-The memories and on page 426 it lists a B-17 with tail number 46752(or full serial number 44-6752) MIA Maribor 1 Apr 45.FLAK.Crashed near Maribor.

Merle Adams,Baumgartner,Wilson,Aven,Norwood,Andrews,

Franklin,Kendell,

Gosney,Cunningham,and Neff.(MACR 13378).

I believe that you can order this report.

Enter the number 13378 in the MACR number search here.

MACR stands for Missing Air Crew Report by the way.

 

http://www.armyairforces.com/dbmacr.asp

 

You can order the report from here.

 

http://www.armyairforces.com/help.asp

 

Armyairforces.com is a great website.

 

O.K. I'll add some more info.It looks like Norman Lear served in the 772nd in combat at around the same time as your Uncle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Lear


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Thank you Mr. Jarmon for the information. Is the book you have 772nd B.S.The Men-The Memories available for purchase somewere? I am trying to find a picture of my uncle with his crew. Also, does the MACR describe in any detail what went wrong or what was found at the crash site? Thanks again, Dave.  

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Hello Dave first of all from my family(and the 463rd too) to yours we are very sorry that you lost your uncle due to combat.It's sad that he perished with his crew only 1 month from the end of the war in Europe and that you didn't get to know him in person.

 

The book 772nd squadron The men-The memories by Turner Publishing Company is out of print unfortunately.My father gave me a copy of that book on July 4,1997.

 

Swindy is our group historian here so you should ask him more about your uncle or whether there is a photo of him or with his crew at the Celone airbase.He would have more information than I.

 

Looking at the 772nd book further I do see on page 400 that the target was a rail bridge near Maribor,Yugoslavia and that the enemy FLAK was considered very accurate.It looks like Lt Mac Swinney's crew went on that mission together with your uncle and his crew.So also did Lt. Aberg and his crew.

 

On page 394 Lt. John Aberg says "Another mission that stands out was the Easter Sunday mission to Maribor,Yugo.After flying deputy lead for about 8 missions,the Operations Officer switched me from the #2 slot on the right wing to the #3 slot on the left wing.The mission was supposed to be a milk run,famous last words.However while over the target the #2 ship got a direct hit & caught on fire,several chutes were seen leaving the ship.Never heard what happened to them.Ever since this mission I have felt like I am living on borrowed time.''

 

On page 397 on John J.Aberg's Individual Combat Records it lists April 1 1945 as being the mission to Maribor,Yugo.The mission lasted 5 hrs 40 minutes.

 

On page 376 copilot Lt. Dana Mudge is listed as being on that combat mission over Maribor Yugoslavia on April 1,1945.He was a member of Lt.Dean L.Meier's crew

 

On page 377,378 T/Sgt Lon L.Wampler radio operator was a member of Lt.Dean L.Meier's crew.

 

-Jon Jarmon

 


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Thanks again Mr. Jarmon, your info was very interesting to me. I got on the waiting list for the book at Turner Publishing, hope they will print some more copys. I will also e-mail Swindy to ask if he has any more info or pictures of my uncle Jack and his crew. You can e-mail me direct at Packman1010@Hotmail.com if you come up with any more information that would be interesting to me. Thanks again from my mother and my family. Dave. 

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What a great surprise to hear my great uncle John Aberg referenced.  My uncle (his nephew) and I were just talking about him tonight and he told me the same story.  So I "googled" him to find out more...what a nice surprise to hear him referenced on this board.  He was well loved by all! 
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Welcome tgabel We would like to hear any stories that you have about your great uncle John Aberg.I'm sorry that I haven't been to this message board for about two weeks.


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I just came across John Aberg's combat record today while looking up some information for someone.  John had been kind enough to share it with me several years ago during our initial correspondence regarding the 463rd.  John was quite helpful to me and I will always appreciate his input and insights.

 

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I am trying to find some info on my uncle shot down on Apr. 1, 1945 over Maribor, Yugoslavia. His name was Jack R. Aven and he was a S. Sgt. and a tail gunner on a B-17. I never new him as I was not born yet. He was stationed in Foggia, Italy. Not sure of the rest of my info but could have been with the 463 BG, 15th Air Force, squad #772-775. He was buried 4 years later in a common grave with 4 of his crew mates in Jefferson Barracks National Cemetary in St. Louis, Mo. The crew members on the grave stone are:

Merle E. Adams 1st Lt.

John L. Baumgartner 2nd Lt.

William R. Norwood T. Sgt.

Thedford O. Wilson 1st Lt.

Any info would be greatly appreciated, Thanks Dave.

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I am Edward Gosney's grandson. He was the ball turret gunner on that fateful mission. I have been looking for so long to trace his steps through the war! He did not like to talk about it. I have photos to share, as I have the honor to keep his service to our country not being forgotten.
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Thank you Mr. Jarmon for the information. Is the book you have 772nd B.S.The Men-The Memories available for purchase somewere? I am trying to find a picture of my uncle with his crew. Also, does the MACR describe in any detail what went wrong or what was found at the crash site? Thanks again, Dave.  

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Thedford O. Wilson is my great uncle.  Any information or photos would be greatly appreciated.  Does anyone know what they named their B-17? Tail 44-6752?  Also, I've ordered the MACR 13378.  Anyone have any luck acquiring the book  772nd squadron The men-The memories?
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Thedford O. Wilson is my great uncle.  Any information or photos would be greatly appreciated.  Does anyone know what they named their B-17? Tail 44-6752?  Also, I've ordered the MACR 13378.  Anyone have any luck acquiring the book  772nd squadron The men-The memories?
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My grand father was in your uncle's crew. Please contact me at edgosjr@cox.net.

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