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I am interested in learning something of my uncle, Lt. Derace Moser, who was killed in a training accident while a member of the 463d in Florida, before depoyment to Europe.  I believe he died sometime around November, 1943.  I was about 2 years old at the time and have only one very fleeting memory of him leaving my grandparents home, apparently just before his death.  There's hardly anyone alive now here who remembers him.  He played on the 1939 Texas A&M national championship football team and lettered all four years he was at A&M.  He was hardly ever spoken of during my years growing up, and it must have been a very sad and traumatic event in the lives of his parents, and only brother, Ralph, my father.  All are now gone.  I would appreciate hearing from anyone who may have known him.

 

Best Wishes,

John Moser

Lt. Col, (Ret.), U.S. Army

E-Mail:  moser@our-town.com

 

 


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My Father mentioned a Lt. Morrison whose crew was killed in a mid-air collision while practicing formation flying in Florida. I'm not sure when, but probably late 1943. The other plane also crashed but it's my understanding the members of the other crew survived. My father passed away in 1999 so I can't ask him. If that's the right crew I can tell you a little bit.

 

 


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I found some 'official' documents from the Nat'l Archives that were given to me that list a crew that was killed on a training mission on 19 Nov 1943 while the Group was in Florida due to a mid-air collision.  Strangely it only lists eight of the crew members but the narrative states there were 4 officers and 6 enlisted men killed in the accident.

 

Here is the crew listing:

Lt Robert Mosher

Lt Ted Witherspoon

Lt James Morrison

Sgt Irvin Codofsky

Sgt Charles Knop

Sgt Silvio Salvatore

Sgt Myron Wilson

Sgt Robert Robinson

 

This is the only training accident I have found any information on so far.

 

I will continue digging through the records to see if I can find more on this.


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I see a link to a new book.

 

FATAL ARMY AIR FORCES AVIATION ACCIDENTS
 
IN THE UNITED STATES, 1941 - 1945
 
By ANTHONY J. MIRELES
 
 
Check this post out.
 

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John,
 
I've been in touch with Bob Widner. He has a website about crashes in Florida. Here is a link that talks about the mid-air collision: http://www.geocities.com/bwidner1/ThonotosassaB17s.html He also emailed me to say the copilot of the plane that crashed was 2nd. Lt. Robert D. Moser.
 
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John,
 
I've been in touch with Bob Widner. He has a website about crashes in Florida. Here is a link that talks about the mid-air collision: http://www.geocities.com/bwidner1/ThonotosassaB17s.html He also emailed me to say the copilot of the plane that crashed was 2nd. Lt. Robert D. Moser.
 
Steve


Hi Steve,

Looks like I was too long in getting back to this site.  The above referenced website is no longer active.  Thanks anyway.

John Moser
E-Mail:  moser4570@centex.net

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I found some 'official' documents from the Nat'l Archives that were given to me that list a crew that was killed on a training mission on 19 Nov 1943 while the Group was in Florida due to a mid-air collision.  Strangely it only lists eight of the crew members but the narrative states there were 4 officers and 6 enlisted men killed in the accident.

 

Here is the crew listing:

Lt Robert Mosher

Lt Ted Witherspoon

Lt James Morrison

Sgt Irvin Codofsky

Sgt Charles Knop

Sgt Silvio Salvatore

Sgt Myron Wilson

Sgt Robert Robinson

 

This is the only training accident I have found any information on so far.

 

I will continue digging through the records to see if I can find more on this.



Hi Joel,

Thanks for checking on this for me.  I moved some years ago and lost track of this website and my Login in info, which I only recently found.  I do appreciate any information I can learn about my uncle, Lt. Robert Derace Moser, who was killed in this training accident.  I am age 70, and have only one fleeting memory of Uncle Derace, when I was about 2 years old, at his parents home (and my grandparents), and must have been shortly before his death.  There are only 3 or 4 "old timers" in our home town of Stephenville who are still alive and are old enough to actually remember him.  He was quite a football star at Texas A&M, and was a starter, as a Sophmore, on their 1939 National Championship team... the only one A&M has ever had.

Best Wishes,
John Moser
E-Mail:  moser4570@centex.net

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Hi John,

I have Bob Widner's book and can send you some information. It might take a day or two to find it. There is also an accident report that you can order perhaps from AFHRA,

Regards,
Steve

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For anyone else interested in studying the various accidents that took the lives of over 15,000 young men and women from 1941-1945, there is a 3-volume set of books that covers them all.

http://www.amazon.com/Forces-Aviation-Accidents-United-1941-1945/dp/0786421061

Kind of spendy but from all reviews, well worth the money, if you are into doing this type of research.

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I an a 1957 graduate of Texas A&M and am interested in the 1939 football team, nat'l champions, and what happened to them during world war II.  I would like to read an accident report on the Lake Thonotosassa mid air collision where Lt. Derace Moser lost his life.   Also believe that Herbert "Herbie" Smith, end and co-captain of the '39 team also lost his life in a training mission.  I am new at wreckchasing and don't know where to start.   I would appreciate any kind of help to get started.    
Thanks,

Bill McCarty
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My best recommendation would be to contact the Air Force Historical Research Agency on their web site and request the information from them.  http://www.afhra.com 


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