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If any out there have Missing Air Crew Reports for any of the 463rd crews that they would be willing to make a copy of for our archives it would be greatly appreciated.  MACRs are a very valuable source of information regarding MIA/KIA airmen, their aircraft and their missions.

 

Thanks,

 

 


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Joel,

 

I just ordered MACR #5195 (48 pages). A/C 42-31841 shot down 24 May, 1944. I can mail you a photocopy and/or scan and email you a copy.

 

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Steve,

 

I appreciate the offer and I will take you up on it.  A photocopy version would be appreciated.

 

My address is:

 

Joel Swindlehurst

PO Box 387

Hines OR 97738

 

Thanks, Steve


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Steve,

I appreciate you putting me on to http://www.footnote.com.  I was able to download most of the MACR's for the 463rd with few exceptions.  It was a daunting task but I think I was able to find all but 10 of them on that site.

So you need not send me any .pdf versions.  I'll send you a list of the ones I did not get and perhaps you can find them there, I couldn't.

Thanks again,

And to everyone else, if you are wanting a MACR, I might have it although I don't have them sorted except by the pilot's name right now.  Later I will have them by MACR number and/or a/c number.

Joel

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Joel,
If you have MACR #14020 on A/C #44-6418 in that batch, I would take a copy.

Did you get the disk of photos I mailed you for CD#3?

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Mike,
Do you want it in the original form or transcribed form?  I do have it in its entirety, if you want all of it.  It is 31 pages long.  It would be very difficult to email it as it is 28 mb in size. 

If you would allow me a little time, I can transcribe it, which reduces the size dramatically. 

Let me know.

And yes, I did receive the CD of pictures.  Thank you.




 

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Joel,
No hurry. Spend your time working on CD#3. I would like to see the original some time, but it can wait. It is just good to know you have copies of all those MACRs in the 463rd files.

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Joel,
 
Last I checked not all MACRs were yet on footnote.com. I am signed up for a year. I'll be happy to keep an eye out for any MACRs, just send me the numbers or something else to search on.

I also have a question, could an aircraft be lost without generating an MACR? In looking at the 463rd missions, there are sometimes more aircraft listed as lost than there are MACRs. On at least one occasion there is an MACR (with an aircraft lost) but no aircraft listed as lost. It could be that they are just errors in the records, I be surprise if there weren't. But I am wondering if an aircraft is lost, for example crashes in an area under Allied control, but none of the crew are "missing" would there be no MACR but still an aircraft lost? The second part to the question is, is there some other document that tells what happened to the lost aircraft if no personnel are "missing"?

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Steve


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Steve,
It is true that not all of the MACRs are on Footnote but the vast majority of them are.  In fact, I downloaded all but eleven of them.  It took a while but I think it will be well worth it in the end.  Every once it a while there were other documents mixed with them but its easy to sort out.

I'm not sure about your question regarding a crew being lost without generating a MACR but I think that it has to do with being over emeny territory was the deciding factor.  Don't quote me on that but it seems like I remember one of the veterans (operations officer) telling someone that a MACR was generated only when an aircraft was lost over enemy territory or if the crew did not return, such as ditching in the Adriatic and being picked up by the Germans. 

Anyone else have any ideas?

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Joel I think I've found a video of a witness of a 463rd B-17 Crash on July 7 1944.I saw this video on youtube here.You might want to watch this.
I noticed that it was a combat mission to Blechhammer.


From the video (see the side that says "About this Video" and expand it.
It says

"The crew members that were killed in action on July 7, 1944, included:

2nd Lt. Carl C. Sorensen, pilot, Wabasha, Minnesota
2nd Lt. Kingsley B. Enoch, co-pilot, Springfield, Massachusetts
2nd Lt. Albert L. Berrie, navigator, Belmont, Massachusetts
1st Lt. Thomas V. Platten, bombardier, Modesto, California
T/Sgt. Kenneth E. Sharp, engineer/top turret gunner, Campti, Louisiana
S/Sgt. Danny Delio, right waist gunner, Mishawaka, Indiana
S/Sgt. Harold R. Kennelley, radio operator, Spring Mills, Pennsylvania
S/Sgt. Ernest R. Rossi, left waist gunner, Oakland, California
S/Sgt. Donald L. Nye, ball turret gunner, Tiffin, Ohio
S/Sgt. John R. Leone, tail gunner, Bronx, New York "


I looked up the names.I saw Albert L.Berrie listed at the National WW2 Memorial

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/registry/cemetery/search/pframe.asp?HonoreeID=722176&popcount=3&tcount=3

I also saw that you honored Thomas V. Platten at the National WW2 memorial.
Here is Pilot Carl C. Sorensen honored by his brother.

http://www.wwiimemorial.com/registry/search/pframe.asp?HonoreeID=324927&popcount=4&tcount=9

I can't say for sure but I think it might be MACR 6566 with B17G
42-31775 in the 773rd BS.

Another thing I just noticed is that the video was by a youtube member
named Neil Sorensen so perhaps he is the cameraman taking the video learning about his grandfather or relative if Carl C. Sorensen was his grandfather or relative.Since he is so knowledgeable perhaps he must have had the MACR on a trip to Europe.

I sent him a message too and told him about the 463rd's website however I noticed that he has not logged into youtube since 3 months ago.
It will probably take him a while to see my video response and take notice perhaps of my message to him.

Also from Svatczech's post
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/rascal2/vpost?id=1713342

1st Lt. Thomas V. Platten, bombardier might be the first unidentified person in the Sorensen's crew picture on the 463rd's website
Svat says that he is second from right in the picture.Check that out.

2nd Lt. Albert L. Berrie, navigator might be the other unidentified person in the Sorensen's crew picture too.




 


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I own MACR 6566 (Lt. Sorensen´s B-17 crash on 7th July 1944) but in poor quality made from microfiche.

Do you know story of this tragic mission I wrote to Czech aviation magazine in 2006 ? I could email you plus translation.

svatczech 

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I have read of the event in the Fighting 463rd book.
You could perhaps write what you have of the mission event on your message board post under "Unknown Lt Sorenson's crew member" since it might help others as well as educate me on the event.
By the way I was talking to my mother on the telephone and the name seems familiar with her.My dad and his crew was at the Celone base on June 10,1944 according to what he wrote in the Fighting 463rd Book so he might have met Lt. Sorenson.

Is this the B-17 that was shot down by the Luftwaffe fighters?


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Jon,
Svat has been very instrumental in helping to locate the site of the Sorensen crash.  I have corresponded extensively with Carl Sorensen, son of the pilot of the plane as well as Virginia Platten, wife of the bombardier.  It is quite a story as well as a tragic one.  Thomas Platten is buried at Jefferson Barracks in a common grave with 4 other crew members as they were unable to identify the individual remains in the aircraft after the crash.

I'm don't recall whether it was Neil or Carl who did the video of the eyewitness but I have a copy of the eyewitness video sent to me by Carl Sorensen.

As far as correcting the listing on the website crew pictures, Svat is correct in that the person on the right hand side of Carl Sorensen is indeed, Albert Berrie, according to Virginia Platten, wife of Thomas  Platten.  The airman on the left hand side of Sorensen remains unidentified as the orginal bombardier on the crew.  Thomas Platten was not on the original crew when that picture was taken, according to Virignia.

Yes, this was the bomber that was shot down by fighters according to the MACR.  Svat's translation is a worthwhile read by the way, if you are interested. 

And Svat, I have a good copy of the MACR plus I could send you a transcribed clean copy if you wish.

I will notify the webmaster to make the necessary corrections on the website.

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Yes I am interested in Svat's translation.Yes you can email me too Svat if you don't want to put it up on the message board.I am interested in any of the stories of the 463rd.Svat,that is great that you have helped Joel and the 463rd Historical Society out so much.Kudos to you.

Joel I also am interested in some MACR's because I'd like to more about what happened to the B-17's that my dad Piloted.
Here are the ones I am interested in derived from your List of Serial numbers of B-17's from my dad's log book.

macr 7206  42-102887 the pisseroo
macr 7154  42-31827  g i delivery
macr 9717  44-6194 berlin sleeper iii
macr 14019  44-6271 magnificent malfunction
macr 7461  44-6287
macr 13052 44-6421
macr 8345 44-8106
macr 9210 44-6419 lil liz ii
macr 13050 44-6377 pretty baby's boys
macr 12098 44-6547

Thanks for any help!

My mother told me yesterday that my dad and crew(I would assume only the Officers in his crew) were assigned a tent of a crew(I assume just the tent of the Officers) just shot down and their stuff was in the process of being shipped home.This was when they just got over there to the Celone base.

 


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Jon,
If you want them in a transcribed format, it will take me a little bit to get them all ready since I just got them downloaded a short time ago.  And answering inquiries, working on Vol. 3, etc. etc. has kept me from doing much transcription.  But it doesn't take all that long now that I have the standard forms for doing the transcription.  That took longer than actually doing any transcribing.

If you want the orignals, I will have to burn them to CD and mail them to you as each file, depending on the number of pages runs upward of 25 mb because they are photographs of the documents.  The transcribed version will be considerably smaller such as less than 250 kb.

Joel


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