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Does any have a legible copy of the mission report for the 18 May 1944 raid on Ploesti?


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John,
Do you mean the 'official post-mission report'?  I have a two page copy of a "Special Narrative Report" from the 463rd Bombardment Group as well as a loading list for the 772nd Squadron.  There is also a 'Narrative Statement' from the PR portion of the Group that I have a copy of as well.  If you require the originals, the "Speical Narrative Report" would be a stretch but I have it transcribed, the only thing missing from it is the original signature of the Intellingence Officer, William T. Emmett.  I also have the 'Narrative Statement' transcribed, if that would be acceptable.

Unfortunately, most of what I have in regards to squadron information is miinimal at best since most of the information I have came from Maj. Jim Patton, who lead the Group on this mission.

Let me know if you are interested in any of this.  It can all be emailed to you, if you wish.

Joel

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   I'm looking for any report on the mission that you can give me, but I am most interested in something that briefs the planned or actual flight route.  Thanks!
   John

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I do not have the planned or briefed mission route copies.  I hope to be able to acquire them when I visit the National Archives later this coming spring.  I hope to gather as much information as possible about the 18 May 1944 mission to Ploesti and the 24 March mission to Berlin, the two missions for which the 463rd was awarded Presidential (Distinguished) Unit Citations.  Plus a lot of other info as well.

I will send you what I have.

Joel

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Joel I too would love to get a hand on as many 463rd BG planned navigation routes as possible especially those of my father.I want to be able to use those to replicate the missions accurately on flight simulators.
It looks as though there might be some 35mm motion picture film of 15th AF 5th Bombardment Wing B-17's there at the National Archives too.
I'd sure like to see these.
Just type 15th Air Force and you will get a lot of hits here.

http://arcweb.archives.gov/arc/basic_search.jsp

Here is just one entitled

B-17 MISSION TO BUCHAREST, RUMANIA [I.E., ROMANIA], 15TH AIR FORCE

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Hello, There's   great  book. with ,missions listed its called...Col.Robert Allyns "irish Orphans" I hope you can  find  copy....Take Care,Charles Wicks


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Jon, et al,
While it is true there is a listing of missions in the "Allyn's Irish Orphans" book, it has proven to be only mostly accurate.  We have records, in hand, of other mission targets on some specific dates, and you can compare what is listed on this web site with what is in the "Orphans" book to see that they are very, very similar, but not exactly the same.

Since the targets listed on the web site do not jibe with the targets listed in the book, once one has the opportunity and historical resources to compare them, I believe the most accurate ( and I stress "most") listing is the one here on this web site. 

Tom Stevenson, now president of the historical society, worked for many years to compile as accurate a list as possible, using the combat records submtted by the men who flew the sorties.  Some of the discrepancies are easily explained due to alternate targets being bombed as opposed to assigned targets, due to weather conditions, or targets of opportunity being chosen for a variety of reasons.  And the number of bomber losses may not be 100% accurate either, as we have found.  

Having said all that, while certainly the list in the "Orphans" book is valuable and Carl Cassidy performed a magnificent service in compiling the book, even Carl admitted to me personally, that the book may not be 100% accurate but the best he could put together at the time.  And he revised it over the years as well.  I have a copy of one of his last revisions, signed by Carl shortly before he passed.  I treasure it highly and would definitely recommend getting a copy if you can find one.

Thank you, Charles, for citing Carl's book.

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Joel I've read that the National Archives were planning on releasing in the future more details on the combat missions of the USAAF including flight routes and flimsies.
From what I've read it sounded like they were going to have it available on a website perhaps in 5 years from now.I wish that I had saved the link about the story.

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Jon,
What you read is true.  NARA is working diligently in digitizing their records, which you can imagine is quite a daunting task considering all the records they have.  While I was there a year and a half ago, I did not personally see anyone working on that project but where I was in the research room, I would not witnessed that. 

There were few tables open however, with people researching a wide range of topics and disciplines and the research room was a rather large area.  Quite an experience for us.  In fact, our plan, Lord willing, is to return there again this fall after the reunion and get even more extensive records copied, either digitally (digital photos) or through copying.  If we can get the right setup for recording them digitally, that would be the optimum for us since copying all those records by copying will produce a massive amount of papers that will have to be shipped home and that is quite expensive.

We hope also, depending upon what I find out from the Air Force Historical Research Agency at Maxwelll AFB, AL, to go there to gain as much of their
records regarding the 463rd.  Out of all this, one of the more important things I hope to gain is a true and complete roster of all the personnel who served with the 463rd from inception of the group to its disbanding after the war.  And also a comprehensive list of all the aircraft with correct names and tail numbers.   The mission records, for most people, would prove difficult to understand or appreciate, unless you're a history detail nut like me.

I'll keep everyone up to date on how this all is going to work out.

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John

While going through the history book of the 463rd printed in 1946, it jumps over May 18, 44. However the IRISH ORPHANS states the 463rd out of various BG's was the single to reach the target despite weather and bombed on PFF . Lt.Leo Tucker plane 540 and Lt. Menge plane 825 were lost on that mission. The 463rd is account 54 Rumanian / German fighters as destroyed on that day , job completed prior P-38's arrival to the scenario     ( 18 destroyed, 32 probable and 4 damaged ) Additionally Lt.Paoletti led Nav was critically injured but recovered from his wounds later on at Bari.

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While going through the history book of the 463rd printed in 1946 it jumps over May 18, 44. However the IRISH ORPHANS stating that the 463rd out of  the various BG's which departed for Ploesti, was the single to reach the target despite weather and bombed on PFF . Lt.Leo Tuckers plane 540 and Lt. Menges plane 825 were lost on that mission. The 463rd is accounting 54 Rumanian / German fighters as destroyed on that day , job completed prior P-38's arrival to the scenario  ( 18 destroyed, 32 probable and 4 damaged ) Additionally Lt.Paoletti led Nav was critically injured but eventually recovered from his wounds later on at a Bari hospital.

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John

While going through the history book of the 463rd printed in 1946 it jumps over May 18, 44. However the IRISH ORPHANS stating that the 463rd out of the various BG's which departed for Ploesti ,was the single to reach the target despite weather and bombed on PFF . Lt.Leo Tucker plane 540 and Lt. Menge plane 825 were lost on that mission. The 463rd accounts 54 Rumanian / German fighters as destroyed on that day , job completed prior P-38's arrival to the scenario     ( 18 destroyed, 32 probable and 4 damaged ) Additionally Lt.Paoletti lead Nav was critically injured but eventually recovered from his wounds later on at a Bari hospital.

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This is what I'm interested in.Welcome to contace me.






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