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I am newbie in this forum, so let me introduce myself, my name is Peter Valica, I am interested in WWII planes and I am also an modeler. I live in small town in the south of Slovakia /former Czechoslovakia/ in Nove Zamky. I am also interested in history of our town, at WWII Nove Zamky were bombed three times by 15th USAAF and one of the BG which took a part of missions was also 463BG. I found that "Lassie and Her Lads" definitely took a part of bombing at 7th October 1944. My question is, do you have any pics of "Lassie"?
I have some of them from 2nd Pictorial of 463BG but unfortunately just a rear part of the plane. I am going to build it in 1/72 scale and pics of front part would help me a lot.
It is difficulty identify the plane because by the s/n plane was made by Lockeed Vega as B-17G-20-VE version with old style tail turret.
But how the front part looked like? Was it B-17G style or late B-17F style ? That´s the question ?  Had the plane any nose-art also on the front part ?
I know it is too many question but you are the last person who could help me.
thank you
Peter
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Swindy
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Peter,
I'll jump in here ahead of JJ463rd because I know answers to some of your questions.
Yes, Lassie and Her Lads had nose art and she was a B-17 G model. The nose art consisted of a simple banner with "Lassie and Her Lads" on it. That's about it as you can see from the attached photo.
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jj463rd
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Oh how neat a model of my dad's favorite B17.Thanks for the help Joel. Peter to help you out on painting the model the girl on the tail from what my mother told me was a red head. I think that I donated a scan of a Nove Zamky bomb photo too from my dad's photo's.
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chobi
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If I may join the conversation,
Was this banner ''Lassie and Her Lads'' on both sides of nose or just on the right?
Was the tail art girl on both sides of vertical fin or just on the left?
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jj463rd
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chobi I haven't seen the front banner on the Pilot's,Navigators side of the aircraft.The girl is on both sides according to the pictures on the vertical stabilizer under the aircrafts number.It also has Lassie and her Lads on the front Dorsel Fin although the lettering is different on both sides from what I noticed.As to the lettering I'm not sure if it's in red or black lettering (Hard to tell from those pictures). Here are the general rear markings and you can see the 463rd's near the bottom of the page
Sometimes the Pie slice is black and the Y lettering is white other times it's inverse of that 42-97550 had the black Pie Slice with White Y. Another thing I am not certain about is that some silver ships had the extra Pie Slice and Y on both of the horizontal stabilizers and other aircraft didn't have these extra markings on them.So I have no knowledge if 42-97550 had those extra markings on her.
An individual repainted 42-97550 for a pay ware add on to Microsoft Flight Simulator X as you can see in the first picture.He took the liberty of painting the names of my fathers crew on the ship in the repaint.It's not realistic but he did a good job. On the real 42-97550 the White Y is much bigger than what he did on his repaint.
By the way the add on is soon to have all the copilot controls and instruments (I think) featured in it so the B-17's induction (super-turbocharger) system will be fully modeled and emulated realistically.
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Thank you for all your responses, picture of the nose of "Lassie" helped me a lot.
jj463rd you´re right, you have posted me a photo of Nove Zamky bomb raid. It also helped me as I finished a documentary about raids over Nove Zamky town at WWII. I work on the English version now.
I have to also great acknowledge to Mr. Swindlehurst for Pictorial of 463rd BG.
But, I have another one question, I have a fly photo of Lassie taken from under and as I discovered left half of left wing were changed. Could be possible that the wing came from plane with camouflage /olive drab - neutral grey/?
On the photo seems to be different shade of left wing and flap as the rest of plane. Should be this possible?
jj463rd as you write the lettering "Lassie and her Lads" on the tail could be black or red. On the next photo seems to be shadow of letters other than the lettering. Possibly the letters were black with red shadow ??? It is just my guess, but...
Once again, thank´s for all answers.
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Peter-I thought that the border writing on the "Lassie and her Lads" on the dorsal fin was the same color.I guess I was wrong about that.I don't know if the lettering was black or red (red lettering was used a lot).
It's really hard to discern though and I could be wrong.
From what you show in that picture it's possible that perhaps it could be a combination of red and black.
Interesting.It looks as though you have made a discovery by that close up shot.I would guess that the lighter shaded border was red and that the lettering was black from that close up black and white photograph of the tail which I don't remember ever seeing before.So my guess would be same as yours on that lettering question.
In the mid 1980's when the CAF let my father take a flight on a restored B-17 that particular B-17 (Sentimental Journey) had red lettering for its name as you can see in this video at the time of 13 seconds.The lettering also had white in it for that ship.The video of course is about my father.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGOP53TkGtA
As to the repaired wing I have no idea but your guess about the repaired wing seems pretty good though.
You could perhaps leave it (your model) all silver since at an earlier time it was not repaired yet.
Thanks for posting that close up of the tail of Lassie and her Lads.That looks like a photo of her after she crashed and burned at Foggia Main.I don't think I've ever seen such a close up picture of the girl on the vertical stabilizer although the paint seems pretty burned up from the fire.
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For what it's worth, "Lassie" did have a partial wing change, according to one of the ground crewmen who worked on her. Eventually, the entire wing was replaced at some point before it crashed and burned near the base.
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Peter I have talked with my mother and she told me that the Lassie and her Lads lettering had red in it.My father would tell her those things.She didn't know about the black part though but your close up picture seems to indicate 2 colors (one lighter,one darker).
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